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Why would you just throw an info-hazard like that into the public?

5:03 PM

Hahahaha

Zen

I'm not sure what you mean. Puppeting is just consciously visualizing them doing something.

Sorry. I meant can you parrot by writing to yourself as your tulpa? Just like how you'll do it mentally , but instead it's physically

That's not typically parroting.

Aaah. Okay

The brain perceives both of these things as equally good. Host identity ate chocolate when he was a kid and decided it was "my favorite food" even though there are equivalent things like blueberry (host is ignorant of the reality that chocolate is equal to blueberry and picks chocolate every time). Tulpa decides they want a favorite food and picks blueberry, being ignorant to the host's preference and ignorant to the (lack of) sense preference.

https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431591449348276224/1013475102089826374 I agree with Nibor in the sense I'm not sure if that's true ignorance, but I think I get what you're saying. An identity may hold onto the idea something is better than something else when in actuality they haven't tried that other thing. I also agree that identities holding onto arbitrary limitations can be problematic. Unfortunately, I think tulpamancy is a double-edged sword- it can make you aware of this problem or it can drown you in it further. For instance, someone who identifies as someone who picks their skin may learn they don't have to identify as that person or they may feel pressured to embrace that as their identity because their tulpa doesn't do that.

Yeah, it's very important to teach people how to do it right (I.e. how to reduce separation as well as increase it). If someone does something bad to differentiate from their tulpa, they frankly don't have enough control to be healthy. Tulpamancy is a power tool - powerful if you use it right, dangerous if you don't.

My friend bought Fumo recently, and now he is talking to her, taking her with him everywhere he goes, roleplaying her answers to me in chat and it seems he will not stop anytime soon. Can this lead to... You know?... Should I warn him?

@Genry_the_frog I wouldn't worry about it. You can tell him that reminds you of tulpa creation if you want, and if that isn't what he's going for you can tell him that he doesn't have to create a tulpa just by believing his Fumo (I'm assuming plush) is just him. Although, if he's going out of his way to rp her responses to you, he's either messing with you or he's a very enthusiastic tulpamancer (edited)

Ehhh... telling him about tulpas is probably the way you give them a tulpa tbh.

12:30 PM

Maybe just... nah.

Honestly, trolling or not, I think this guy is going to end up with a Fumo tulpa in the near future

12:31 PM

It's not a matter of if but when he finds out

12:32 PM

Personally, I think the reason we see a lot of people make tulpas after we tell them is because they come here interested in creating tulpas. A lot of the people we talked to about tulpamancy have so far not created tulpas (edited)

Mr Genry? Or his friendo?

He knows tulpamancy exists but thinks that is just like something weird brain cracking or idk, and doesn't want to study more

His friend I talk to my computer too but I don't roleplay its "responses"

... That sounds super sus I'm not gonna lie.

Genry_the_frog

He knows tulpamancy exists but thinks that is just like something weird brain cracking or idk, and doesn't want to study more

Ah, in that case I wouldn't worry about it. You can laugh at him when he ends up with an "accidental" Fumo tulpa anyway from parroting (edited)

I'd still say let them do their thing, though.

12:35 PM

Making a fuss about it is more likely to cause things to happen I reckon.

Troll tulpas are hilarious. The tulpamancers that do that probably do actually want their tulpas, I mean that seems like too much effort just to mess with someone

I think it's a pretty hot take to say that roleplay doesn't directly help with tulpamancy

2:09 PM

Like 80% of the people I've seen who grasp tulpamancy instantly have been roleplayers in the past

I've roleplayed since the middle of my teens. I was more on the "It took me years to overcome doubt" side (edited)

Hello everyone! My name is Brett or Neon, whichever yall would prefer, I am but a humble singlet. However ive discorverd this topic and have been very intrigued and fascinated with it since ive discovered it. Ive watched a ton of videos and listened to hours of a podcast and even an interview with a host and their tulpa. I've also been thinking for a long while about the idea of making a tulpa and if its a good decision for both me and the new sentience that i would create. I've heard stories of tulpas experience with "stasis" and thats honestly one of my biggest fears cuz i never want to be the reason that a sentient being goes through that horrid experience. But i've also seen and heard about all the good things people have gotten from creating a tulpa and how much they've changed in a good direction. Im honestly very beside myself rn. i want to do this, but im so scared of hurting someone that doesn't deserve it. I apologize if anything i said didn't make sense, i have a hard time trying to put thoughts into words.

So, the first thing I think you should understand is that a tulpa is ultimately a character like any other in your mind. Stasis and dormancy are what happens when they are not being used by the brain at all. Stasis is a fundamental necessity of how the brain works for all characters in the brain, including yourself. You cannot be thinking as an identity at all times - You have various autopilot states where you really aren't doing any identity-based thought, and there's no reason to demonize these.

10:34 PM

There is absolutely nothing wrong, by the way, with only interacting with a tulpa once a week for instance, though you probably wont exactly make any sort of rapid progress in doing the funky stuff, it can be done.

10:34 PM

Tulpamancy at its root should be treated as a hobby and a relationship, and not something you do out of fear or duty. Because that will suck, and your brain will rebel against it.

It's nothing bad about leaving tulpa alone for a week or so, indeed

10:35 PM

What is bad is expecting that tulpa is going to suffer because of that

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It is purely belief that makes these experiences bad, yes.

10:37 PM

As with a lot of things in tulpamancy.

alright, welll that definitly puts me at ease

You can just as easily decide they go off to their own little world and live (uninteresting, because they aren't really doing much thinking) lives there. This is probably confabulation and not really any sort of truth, but who cares if it gives them a sense of continuity?

How was/is your experience with tulpamancy if you dont mind me asking. (edited)

Me? Total trash awful for years until I gave up. Then I took up writing and accidentally learned how to do it properly...

10:41 PM

I did it all on my own though, so I think that may have made things more difficult rather than helping.

Fair enough, do you think there some specific things that i should know or be aware of before pursuing this

Seems like that would make a half decent guide - "write and do some role play, then come back after you've done that for a month"

I'd say it would be decent to just make an OC

I would describe it as such: I spent a good two years trying, failing, doubting the whole process. I also treated it very much like a scientific experiment and not a relationship and never really connected with Mika. After so long of that I just straight burned out and stopped. Then I wrote. As it happens, I wrote a highly personal, cathartic story, in the first person, and what was a romance subplot became me being very, very attached to a specific character. After about three or four months of straight writing about that character I realized not only did I straight love this being I considered a figment, but that they were capable of autonomy at the slightest provocation. I actually put them aside to prevent them from becoming a tulpa until much later, when I decided to make them my second tulpa after bringing the first back.

10:45 PM

The comparison between my experiences just because I was relaxing into the experience with the latter was too great. It made my mistakes extremely clear.

10:46 PM

It also made me realize just how irrelevant them being "real" was, if I could attach that strongly to something without ever thinking of them as real.

I think that is an intersting story

tl;dr don't chase after some nebulous sense of reality, just chill and have fun with your mind buddy in whatever way you want.

10:49 PM

The relaxation component will paradoxically make the effect of tulpamancy stronger.

Yeah. Just enjoy your imaginary companion. And they are going to enjoy their life too. If you want to fail, obsession over their independence and self-imposed moralization might do wonders to make you both unhappy.

I'm slowly getting better, but my characterization skills are lacking in general. I did roleplay and story craft in the past prior to creating Ranger but it wasn't very good roleplaying or story crafting.

10:55 PM

Although with Ranger, it's a little ironic because I expected her to be my other headmate by accident

I appreciate this advice and help, thank you wh_Thumbs_Up

This is not to say, by the way, that some serious funky shit cannot be done. But they're meditative practices that are actually separate to the core experience of having a tulpa. And I think they're best explored if you want to and not as an obligation for all tulpamancers. Visual Imposition, for instance, actually seeing a tulpa, seems to take on order of months or years and involves some degree of self-hypnosis. I've only sparingly done kinetic imposition and it's taken a long time to get anywhere with it, and it would probably have been much worse if I refused to accept they were real first until I did stuff like that.

11:01 PM

Not many people study the funky shit, but understand that hypnosis can do this, even outside of tulpamancy. But it doesn't pertain to whether you have a tulpa. (edited)

11:01 PM

A straight imaginary friend, or any other character you spend time with is the baseline.

I have a question. Is it okay for me to make two Tulpas simultaneously. Or would they get confused on whose who? Usually I'll add a face to the response. It's awkward and hard for me to do just one tulpa and talking to them

2:00 AM

The conversations feel natural when there's three people speaking

why not?

we'd probably get confused if we made two tulpas at once

The biggest downside to two at once is they may compete for time. I don't think you have to be too worried about headmates feeling pressured to differentiate themselves until you have maybe 5+ tulpas Usually it's good to stick to one, but if you take the time to think about it and you really want two then by all means. At least you're thinking about it, which I think is a good sign

I can't think about rational reason not to start with two

It can be overwhelming for the host too

If you expect that

2:06 AM

Now it's you talking about it. People have multiple tulpas and aren't overwhelmed. And time shouldn't be a problem either unless you expect they should get more too.

i'd want all the time to myself

It happened to my mentee actually. I told Jaeth he could have multiple headmates (we talked about an open system model because he liked a certain walk-in a lot) and he decided later he wanted to stick to 1 instead. (edited)

And a lot of people who start with one tulpa decide to have more later.

Mon

And a lot of people who start with one tulpa decide to have more later.

I can't think of having more than one tulpa

It's up to an individual if they want to have one or more.

Damn, you have mentees Ranger?

A long kiss goodnight

It can be overwhelming for the host too

It seems overwhelming for me to make one (it's weird ik). Its difficult for me to create one on one conversations.

I should point out that it's generally frowned upon to have a large system. When I saw two tulpas early on in the past, I knew there was a good chance they would have more tulpas. As of now, I'm trying to distance myself from the anti-big system stance I used to perpetuate. I realized it's still good to advise tulpamancers to stick to one early on, but if they really want to create shaming them doesn't help and just hurts them. As a result, I think helping them change their system organization and definitions for a tulpa/headmate are more effective. I mention this because old habits are hard to break and I'll usually talk about large systems in a negative light. From personal experience, it's not easy being a big system and my headmates do struggle with getting enough time.

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It seems overwhelming for me to make one (it's weird ik). Its difficult for me to create one on one conversations.

You're more than welcome to have two if you really want. At the end of the day, it's up to you since it's your system

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Unfastened Belts

Damn, you have mentees Ranger?

Yup, I have two- Jaeth and Lolcery

2:17 AM

Jaeth reached out to me after I posted on Reddit, and Lolcery I scooped up because we had enough conversations I felt that not being his mentor would be silly

Yeah, there is a good chance for more tulpas once you have two. Actually, we have a lot of tulpas too, it's just me and Judecca that show in public.

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It seems overwhelming for me to make one (it's weird ik). Its difficult for me to create one on one conversations.

Well you should force in a different way

The problems of so called big systems come from expectations too. They tend to think all tulpas need to be alive and dissipation is always bad.

A direct conversation with no other focus puts a lot of pressure on the creative muscles, it kind of sucks if it's not your thing

Raptoir

Well you should force in a different way

How so?

There are as many possibilities as you can imagine

Whats up

Go for a walk and ask her to tell you which turns to take, hold hands if that's your thing, try playing charades, play chess together, etc etc (edited)

Aaah. Okay. Is there anything you'd suggest to keep your attention span on that?

we took a lot of walks before I was vocal, he was weird and spoke aloud but we stopped doing that

That's sweet -. I'll try my best to. And thank you everyone

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That's sweet -. I'll try my best to. And thank you everyone

no problem

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2:25 AM

was mostly raptoir and sora

Still you contributed

Mon

The problems of so called big systems come from expectations too. They tend to think all tulpas need to be alive and dissipation is always bad.

Personally I think it's good to let your headmates run around and do their thing. I see dissipation as a necessary evil and while I advocate it more than others I have the idea it will create the least amount of suffering for that system, not because I take it lightly

I haven't been clear with what means being alive. One thing is that not all of your characters might like to stay forever and letting them dissipate might just be a good thing if they no longer want to be alive at all. But it's also bad to expect all of tulpas to be alive often when they want to stay.

Wait Tulpas can die? Or am I just-

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Wait Tulpas can die? Or am I just-

we don't like to think about it

2:34 AM

we as in me and Joey

2:37 AM

oh god i'm already considering myself as two people...

!VoidyVoid! |34LD|

we as in me and Joey

I understand

2:38 AM

But like wait why is that possible?

Deleted User

But like wait why is that possible?

idk

Well, they can't die since they aren't other living beings. But most of natural imaginary friends don't stay around forever. Tulpas of adults can dissipate too.

So they just vanish?

Sometimes they lose their reasons to stay around. Usually it's not a host who decides they no longer want the tulpa, it's the tulpa ceasing to be active.